Can we find simple tests ?

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: Thanks to Cris for his second posting on the topic " fatigue '. : With his paper we may be able to discuss and perhaps develop some simple tests for the coaches and athletes. : The goal of a training unit may be , to produce a specific stimmulus to reach a specific respond. : So one may use Cris's type's of fatigue's in his paper to plan and to stimmulate one of the fatigue types. : Even tough it may or is impossible to eliminate one type completely from another , in specific workouts ,one type may still be most dominant. : So we could try to do a brain storming with possible signs of the different types of fatigue and see , which one are good ones , but inpractical and which one could we alter , so we can use it as a help of " controlling " or " measureing " fatigue. : ( Try is the key word , because it is a challange ) : Let me start with some spontaneus suggestion . : Fatigue Equipment possible test or signe : neuromuscular EMG (handheld) drop of peak : activity : EMS/EMG voluntary contraction : EMG drops. : EMS contraction , EMG : still up . : Possible low of : azetylcholin ? : Metabolic fatigue Lactate Pro trends and lactate : values. : glycometer blood sugar trend : ammonia meter possible protein : catabolic involve : ment . : perhaps other more and more available small lab equipment . : Structural fatigue . extreme would be stress : fracture , but already too : late ( now more overtraining ) : Will be interesting to see some suggestions here ( Have to go and find some too ) : " I for the moment use LBP drop asa marker of possible structural fatigue in the mitochiondria activity , but I am not so sure , just a trend. : It may also be , that ammonia could be used as a structural fatigue of protein. : Neuroendocrine fatigue : : No ideas yet , but would be nice to get some simple test markers out of here. I think discussion like the once we have may help us over time to get more and more practical ( not school infos ) in and get a head of the game. : Psychological fatigue . again I need some more time here. : : Here short an info for Cris There is a nice presentation by: Dr. Alan Donnelly ( physical education and sport science University of Limerick , Ireland. : Titel Cellular fatigue , muscle stiffness and free radicals. : They use voluntary contraction and stimulated contraction to try to quantify fatigue. : I have to find my notes I mad during his presentation. : I just remember , that they use 20 / 50 and 100 Hz to stimulate , but I will try to get back on this as soon as possible. Please be patient. :

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